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Why did God establish the new covenant? - 2/25/2010 2:24:16 PM
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Trying to fully understand Jeremiah 31:31-34 & Hebrews 8:6 -13
Was the old covenant so broken and unkept that He needed to - and spoke through prophecy about - setting up the new one?
Was the new cov established originally only with Israel and the gentiles were added on as a 'rider' after pentecost, or did 'God for so love the WORLD, that He sent his only begotton son'?
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 2/25/2010 7:29:23 PM
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Why did God allow the Old Covenant to become "so broken and unkept"?
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 2/25/2010 7:51:31 PM
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Ephesians 2:14-15
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 2/26/2010 1:05:13 AM
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The question should be who continually 'broke and kept breaking' the first covenant? Certainly God fulfilled his part of the bargain and Jesus completed the contract by his obedience/sacrifice and Victory. Now mankind(person hood)has no excuse. Vss 16-18 amplifies/completes the the thought.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 2/26/2010 8:45:35 AM
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Verses 8-9 state
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Everything after that is the explanation of the inadequacy of the Law to saved or make righteous. The New Covenant is built on God the Son instead of the Law that can only condemn and kill.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 2/26/2010 2:21:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: ShinedUpon
Trying to fully understand Jeremiah 31:31-34 & Hebrews 8:6 -13
Was the old covenant so broken and unkept that He needed to - and spoke through prophecy about - setting up the new one?
Was the new cov established originally only with Israel and the gentiles were added on as a 'rider' after pentecost, or did 'God for so love the WORLD, that He sent his only begotton son'?
Jeremiah was not the first one to receive the revelation that the covenant would be written on our hearts. (Deut 30:14) "No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it." Thererfore, the covenant was always intended to be written on our hearts. It was written on stone because of our rebellion, to stand as a testimony against us that it truly does exist. In other words as evidence. When the trial is over and the perp has been executed. There is no need for such evidence. Therefore, for those who are dead to sin through The Sacrifice, it no longer serves that purpose. The covenant is therefore renewed as a reminder until such time as it becomes written on our hearts. It no longer stands against us but is a blessing to us, as it was intended from the beginning.
Therefore, the written Torah never was HaTorah, but a representation of HaTorah as a witness and limited example. Now when the covenant is renewed in our hearts, where it should have been in the first place, there is no need for the written word. Not just the written Torah or even the Tanach, but the whole of the Scriptures. As the Scriptures say, (Jer. 31:34) "No longer will any of them teach his fellow community member or his brother, 'Know ADONAI'; for all will know me, from the least of them to the greatest; because I will forgive their wickednesses and remember their sins no more." That is the purpose of the whole of the Scriptures, to know Adonai and what He requires of us.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/1/2010 12:07:58 AM
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This is indeed the goal, the Word Become Flesh in our lives together creating in us a people of His own possession.
Those who were before Christ could not receive God's offer in Christ, because Christ had not come yet. But they are not saved apart from us, but rather we are saved with them as well.
Praise be to God for working our God's will with such skill, such judgment and such timing. How unsearchable are His ways.
To Him who gives what we receive. Selah!
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/2/2010 1:42:31 PM
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Heres and over simplification.
The old testament represented a God chosen people who were given a law without the 'law written on their hearts'. In the end it represents failure after failure. The only exceptions were when God intervened to put faith and devotion to God himself in the heart of the person, then the law found partial obedience and blessing from keeping it.
The new testament represents Jesus Christ who is the True man who did keep all the law and fulfilled the prophecies. Once he died he ended the old covenant and brought forth a new one based upon what this "fulfiller' of the covenant can do for anyone who believes upon him.
The end of the old covenant came because Christ was due to come and fulfill what God commanded of men. The New covenant came because once the old was fulfilled in Christ the new must come and reveal the basis for God righteously forgiving sinners on the basis of belief in the Son of God who kept all the law and prophets.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/3/2010 4:13:00 PM
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Heres and over simplification.
of the replacement position. There are other views. Let me explain.
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The old testament represented a God chosen people who were given a law without the 'law written on their hearts'. In the end it represents failure after failure. The only exceptions were when God intervened to put faith and devotion to God himself in the heart of the person, then the law found partial obedience and blessing from keeping it.
The whole of the Scriptures represent how Adonai has worked in the affairs of men, some with the 'law written on their hearts' and some not. It is an add mixture of success and failure. Successes have been primarily through Adonai blessing us by graciously applying His Word to our hearts and providing The Sacrifice to remove the guilt of sin.
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The new testament represents Jesus Christ who is the True man who did keep all the law and fulfilled the prophecies. Once he died he ended the old covenant and brought forth a new one based upon what this "fulfiller' of the covenant can do for anyone who believes upon him.
The Apostles record the life, works and teachings of Yeshua(Jesus) HaMeshiach(the Messiah), who kept HaTorah(the commandments) and meet all of the requirements for HaMeshiach presented in the Tanach(OT). His death, burial and resurrection constituted the realization of Adonai's gracious promise to remove our guilt.
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The end of the old covenant came because Christ was due to come and fulfill what God commanded of men. The New covenant came because once the old was fulfilled in Christ the new must come and reveal the basis for God righteously forgiving sinners on the basis of belief in the Son of God who kept all the law and prophets.
With our sins forgiven the covenant is then renewed and we are able continue on the path of having Adonai's Word written on our hearts. This in my view is what makes the covenant new. It is begun anew when we are forgiven of our sins.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/4/2010 12:16:51 AM
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Was the new cov established originally only with Israel and the gentiles were added on as a 'rider' after pentecost, or did 'God for so love the WORLD, that He sent his only begotton son'?
The Old Covenant was with Israel and was meant to prepare both Israel and the Gentiles for the New Covenant, and more specifically for the Lord Jesus Christ. Sin could only be "covered" under the Old Covenant. Sin was "taken away" under the New Covenant.
God loved the world from "before the foundation of the world" and saw Christ as the Lamb of God in eternity past. However, God has a time and a season for everything, and with God 1,000 years are as one day. Before the Old Covenant came into existence God had already planned and promised to bless both Israel and all nations through Christ within the Abrahamic Covenant. It simply needed to be fulfilled, and so it was.
The Mosaic Covenant was given to Israel in order to "bring us to Christ". What the Law does is reveal the total hopelessness of mankind to ever obey God without His indwelling Holy Spirit. Therefore "by the Law is the knowledge of sin". The Law says that we all are guilty of death -- physical and eternal. But it does not provide the remedy.
Once a person comes to the point where he honestly acknowledges that he is a guilty sinner and he cannot obey the Law, he must also see that Christ kept the Law perfectly on his behalf, and then died the sinners death under the Law for his redemption. Christ fulfilled every demand of the Law on our behalf. Just as the first Covenant was ratified with blood, the second Covenant was ratified with the shed blood of Christ, since without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.
Therefore God has given the Gospel to all men, and commands all men to be obedient to the Gospel -- He commands all men everywhere to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved.
Thus the entire levitical system of sacrifices was to teach Israel and all nations that one day the Lamb of God would take away the sin of the world. It was never meant to be permanent. While animals were sacrificed, sin was covered for a season, and a Day of Atonement was necessary every year. That is all finished. Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father to signify that there "no more sacrifice for sins".
This is because the Lamb of God took away the sin of the world. And we can now enter into "the holiest place" in Heaven by faith through the blood of Christ, and clothed with His righteousness, if we have repented and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/4/2010 8:26:27 AM
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First off, if you are talking about the "old covenat," you must state WHICH old covenant you are talking about. There are many covenants listed in scripture:
Adamic Covenant
Noahic Covenant
Abrahamic Covenant (renewed with Isaac and Jacob)
Mosaic Covenant
Aaronic Covenant (renewed with Eleazar, called "covenant of peace")
Davidic Covenant (renewed with Solomon)
New Covenant.
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Was the old covenant so broken and unkept that He needed to - and spoke through prophecy about - setting up the new one? According to the Hebrews passage, it was NOT the covenant itself. It was the people who refused to keep it:
Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;
Moses ended up his restatement of the Mosaic covenant (the book of Deuteronomy) by saying this:
Deu 30:10 if you obey the LORD your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law, if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and soul.
Deu 30:11 "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
Deu 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
Deu 30:13 "Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
Deu 30:14 "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.
Deu 30:15 "See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
Deu 30:16 in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.
Did Moses lie? Was it too difficult? I submit a strong "NO." But the people were rebellious. So God had to institute a New Covenant.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/4/2010 2:25:41 PM
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First off, if you are talking about the "old covenat," you must state WHICH old covenant you are talking about. There are many covenants listed in scripture:
While there are many covenants mentioned in the OT, "the Old Covenant" is the Mosaic Covenant as this quite clear from the book of Hebrews. And the "them" it speaks of is Israel. Israel miserably failed do obey God and keep His covenant.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/4/2010 2:31:42 PM
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Deu 30:11 "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
Deu 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
Deu 30:13 "Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
Deu 30:14 "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.
Paul quotes this in Romans 10 and shows us that what was missing was faith. He also tells us in the book of Hebrews that the Gospel was preached to Israel but because of their unbelief, they could not benefit from it. And when Christ walked among the Jews, they refused to believe on Him (generally).
Paul goes on to say that the "word" in their mouth (and ours) should be to confess the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that He has been raised from the dead. That is the basis of salvation.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/4/2010 10:55:38 PM
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First off, if you are talking about the "old covenat," you must state WHICH old covenant you are talking about. There are many covenants listed in scripture:
While there are many covenants mentioned in the OT, "the Old Covenant" is the Mosaic Covenant as this quite clear from the book of Hebrews. And the "them" it speaks of is Israel. Israel miserably failed do obey God and keep His covenant.
First as has been said before in another thread, the word "covenant" is missing at points in the Hebrews passage that are pivital to argument for a changed covenant. Also, we all have failed miserably to obey Adonai and keep His commandments. Third, one must define the "Mosaic covenant" or law of Moshe'. This phrase is used somewhat differently in different contexts, everything from the shema(You shall love the lord your God...) to the ten commandments to the entire Torah. Also, when this is expanded to doctrine it is divided back down to exclude those parts one wishes to keep for those one does not wish to keep. That, in my opinion, is why it was necessary for Yeshua to renew the covenant. Over time it becomes corrupted by interpretation.
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Deu 30:11 "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
Deu 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
Deu 30:13 "Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
Deu 30:14 "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.
Paul quotes this in Romans 10 and shows us that what was missing was faith. He also tells us in the book of Hebrews that the Gospel was preached to Israel but because of their unbelief, they could not benefit from it. And when Christ walked among the Jews, they refused to believe on Him (generally).
Paul goes on to say that the "word" in their mouth (and ours) should be to confess the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that He has been raised from the dead. That is the basis of salvation.
See how easy it is to expand and contract the interpretation of a term or phrase such as "the word". One must be careful when mixing passages. The contexts are rarely exactly the same.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/5/2010 1:39:17 AM
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First as has been said before in another thread, the word "covenant" is missing at points in the Hebrews passage that are pivital to argument for a changed covenant.
Since you have reverted back to the Old Covenant, it is understandable that you would want to minimize the infinite superiority of the New Covenant. However, to make such an assertion as above in contradiction to what Scripture says means that you really do not believe God.
This is too important a subject to have people quibbling over words. So let's stop saying "Old Covenant" and let's simply say "the Law". As used in the book of Hebrews "the Law" is not a general statement about the Word of God, or the Tanakh, but very specifically about the Law given to Moses, and more particularly about the Law concerning sacrifices for sins under the Levitical priesthood.
Note well (Heb. 7:19): "For the Law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God".
Now what does this pertain to? See verse 11: "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the Law), what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?"
It is very clear -- crystal clear -- that this "Law" pertains to the "Mosaic Covenant" or "the Old Covenant" and no amount of quibbling by Messianics can change what God the Holy Spirit states clearly.
Since there has been a change in the priesthood, there has also been a change in the covenant. Since there has been a change in the sacrifice, there has also been a change in the covenant. Since the veil in the Temple was torn in two supernaturally, there has been a change in the covenant. And yet you outright deny this.
So please stop quibbling and believe God. It is God who made the change, and no mortal man should dare claim otherwise.
The whole purpose of the book of Hebrews was to warn Hebrew Christians that they were no longer free to revert to Moses. Yet we have Messianics today disregarding and disobeying what God the Holy Spirit has commanded.
Note well (Heb. 8:13) "In that He saith a New Covenant, He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away". And Heb. 12:25 "See that ye refuse not Him that speaketh". And Heb. 13:10 "We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle".
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/5/2010 4:36:56 AM
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Be careful with your accusations.
What I said was that the word "covenant" was not in this verse. The asterisks did not follow when I pasted the verse. If anyone wishes to check me, look up the verse in the study tools in the KJV and choose the option for Strong's. Are you saying the Strong's is incorrect and the word for covenant is in the Hebrew in this verse? Heb. 8:13 "In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." One could just as well put priesthood in there, since the context is regarding the priesthood and it had become corrupt and would soon end with the distruction of the temple, as the passages you quote point out. It is speculation on your part that the disappearance of the earthly priestly duties, which are not possible to do without a temple, requires a change in the covenant regarding what can be observed.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/5/2010 1:54:37 PM
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Please read Hebrews 8:6. It's covenant.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/6/2010 3:24:06 PM
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Please read Hebrews 8:6. It's covenant.
Please read Hebrews 8:1-5. He could be refering to the preisthood. However, since Paul put neither word in the sentence we designate with the identification Heb. 8:13, we can not use that sentence as aboslute proof of either one.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/6/2010 3:44:24 PM
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Please read Hebrews 8:6. It's covenant.
Please read Hebrews 8:1-5. He could be refering to the preisthood. However, since Paul put neither word in the sentence we designate with the identification Heb. 8:13, we can not use that sentence as aboslute proof of either one.
It's quite un-academic to isolate one sentence out of that chapter to make your point,"maybe".
The chapter describes the Priest ministering the new covenant. (which would also make the old priesthood obsolete, but OBVIOUSLY according to the text the OLD covenant decayeth.)
Hebrews 8
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched , and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer . 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See , saith he , that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith , Behold , the days come , saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not , saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying , Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest . 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/6/2010 11:29:24 PM
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The Old Covenant is not "renewed." The New Covenant is fundamentally different. And it is abundantly clear this is all of the Mosaic law, Ten Commandments and the whole kit and kaboodle.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/7/2010 2:07:38 AM
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Please read Hebrews 8:6. It's covenant.
Please read Hebrews 8:1-5. He could be refering to the preisthood. However, since Paul put neither word in the sentence we designate with the identification Heb. 8:13, we can not use that sentence as aboslute proof of either one.
It's quite un-academic to isolate one sentence out of that chapter to make your point,"maybe".
The chapter describes the Priest ministering the new covenant. (which would also make the old priesthood obsolete, but OBVIOUSLY according to the text the OLD covenant decayeth.)
I thought so, That is why expanded the passage. Your quoting it as a whole might have been more useful to begin with. I'm not sure it is obvious, but let's entertain your premise.
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1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched , and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer . 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See , saith he , that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith , Behold , the days come , saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not , saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying , Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest . 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Even if "covenant" can be legitimately inserted into verses 7 & 13, this "new" covenant is described as "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying , Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest " Are Adonai's laws written on our hearts and minds and do we all know Adonai such that we need no teacher? The many threads and posts on this sight say otherwise. Even so the only thing that changes in this passage is either the removal of a need for an earthly priesthood, ie no temple, or the covenant being written on our hearts and minds. There is no further defining of the stipulations of that "new" covenant. Therefore, the two possibilities noted must be the only differences.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/7/2010 2:51:53 AM
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Corne
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Even if "covenant" can be legitimately inserted into verses 7 & 13, this "new" covenant is described as "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying , Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest " Are Adonai's laws written on our hearts and minds and do we all know Adonai such that we need no teacher? The many threads and posts on this sight say otherwise. Even so the only thing that changes in this passage is either the removal of a need for an earthly priesthood, ie no temple, or the covenant being written on our hearts and minds. There is no further defining of the stipulations of that "new" covenant. Therefore, the two possibilities noted must be the only differences.
The law was a tutor to lead to Christ was it not? So now there is no need for the law to lead TO Christ. No need now for the law to condemn and show us our guilt. There is now, no condemnation.
The {NEW} {COVENANT} is spelled out. You are arguing with scripture. New covenant includes a better tabernacle. A High priest that COMPLETED the sacrifice.
The OLD covenant is described as having a tabernacle that is merely a picture of heavenly things. The OLD covenant is described as faulty, and decaying.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/7/2010 10:34:01 AM
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(Heb 8:5) Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
(Heb 8:6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(Heb 8:7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
I know this passage has been used in this thread, but I want to point out verse 7 as it gives the answer to the thread's quesiton.
God established the new covenent because the old one was faulty.
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/7/2010 4:53:14 PM
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God established the new covenent because the old one was faulty. Is it reasonable to say that mankind's acceptance of and obedience to the old covenant was faulty, NOT the covenant itself?
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RE: Why did God establish the new covenant? - 3/7/2010 5:06:36 PM
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Corne
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God established the new covenant because the old one was faulty. Is it reasonable to say that mankind's acceptance of and obedience to the old covenant was faulty, NOT the covenant itself?
I don't think scripture says that. It does say that that was true of man, but it also says that the new priesthood, the new complete sacrifice, the new tabernacle, the writing on hearts BY GOD was different in the new covenant.
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