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RE: Only the best for the troops! - 1/30/2009 10:28:59 AM
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cow451
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And now Blackwater is being shown the door. Iraq has discontinued it's license to operate in the country. Being as how they provide security for diplomats, that's a sticky wicket for the US. There is definitely a place for contractors, but they can no longer operate without oversight and accountability.
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RE: Only the best for the troops! - 1/30/2009 1:47:58 PM
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Being as how they provide security for diplomats, that's a sticky wicket for the US. There is definitely a place for contractors, but they can no longer operate without oversight and accountability. Had we decided to show the Erik Prinz Eugen division the door a couple years ago I would be willing to wager we would have had a much better agreement with the Iraqi government as we do now. It's about time that Iraq is given authority to kick them out so good for them.
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RE: Only the best for the troops! - 2/13/2009 2:03:05 PM
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wing2000
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What If? I don't agree with every thing Ron Paul says...but he certainly provides a different perspective.
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RE: War in Iraq - 2/13/2009 3:06:01 PM
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To say I strongly support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan would be an understatement. I consider them both part of the same war; much like WW2 was divided up to the fight in Europe and Pacific. I am the oldest of three boys, and all three have served in the military, but I am the only one who has not seen any action. Both of my little brothers have been to the middle east. One spent one tour in Afghanistan, and one served two tours in Iraq. I can say with all honesty that I am very proud of both of them, and actually envious of them for getting to serve there country in that manner. As far as Iraq in particular is concerned, it is my humble opinion that we should have been there much sooner then we were. When we went to Iraq the first time in the 1990’s, we went because they showed aggression towards all the surrounding countries, and took over Kuwait. We went there at the request of all the surrounding countries to aid in there protection. Iraq surrendered to us. NOTE: THEY SURRENDERED, not defeated. That means that they gave up, and for that ‘surrender’ to remain in effect, certain criteria needed to be met. Allow the US and UN into there borders to ensure that they were not doing things that would compromise the security of the surrounding nations, and criteria to be met for the military force in Iraq. Saddam refused to follow those criteria when he surrendered to us in the 90’s, and did all in his power violate the treaty. In my opinion, when he took that course of action, then we had a duty to go in and DEFEAT Iraq. I was always disappointed when it took so long to do that.
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We exported Democrats! - 2/15/2009 12:18:53 PM
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Well it looks like we've successfully turned Iraq into an American style Democracy: quote:
BAGHDAD — Iraqi officials nullified election results in more than 30 polling stations due to fraud in last month's provincial balloting, but the cases were not significant enough to require a new vote in any province, the election chief said Sunday. Faraj al-Haidari said final results of the Jan. 31 voting would be certified and announced this week. Preliminary official results announced Feb. 5 showed Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's ticket swept to victory over Shiite religious parties in Baghdad and southern Iraq — a strong endorsement of his crackdown on Shiite extremists. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493224,00.html
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RE: We exported Democrats! - 2/15/2009 12:29:14 PM
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As far as Iraq in particular is concerned, it is my humble opinion that we should have been there much sooner then we were. When we went to Iraq the first time in the 1990’s, we went because they showed aggression towards all the surrounding countries, and took over Kuwait. We went there at the request of all the surrounding countries to aid in there protection. What does any of this have to do with the Taliban allowing AQ to use the country as a home base? I agree with you more than I disagree with you except lumping the two wars together. It isn't the same war, the same fight, the same anything. They are two wars in the same region being fought concurrently. quote:
In my opinion, when he took that course of action, then we had a duty to go in and DEFEAT Iraq. I was always disappointed when it took so long to do that. Iraq should have been done in the mid '90s. However aren't you at all dissappointed with the complete lack of foresight and planning that went into the invasion this time? One of the reasons that we were given for not removing Saddam in 1991 was it would create a power vacuum in Iraq and it would take a great deal of men, time and cost to keep the different factions from going into chaos since it was only the power of Saddam that kept the country together. (Similiar to Yugoslavia after Tito died and in barely more than half a decade the country was a shambles) At the very beginning I wasn't against the Iraq war. It was only a few days after the fall of Baghdad when I realized with horror that we weren't going to send in more troops to hold the country that I realized we were screwing up majorly. The removal of Centcom and phasing out of CFLCC is more than enough evidence to me anyway that our government in no ways considered, planned or expected a "long, drawn out battle" since both were removed in May of 2003.
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RE: War in Iraq - 2/19/2009 8:02:34 PM
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Capitalism requires a nation to spread it's tentacles into other countries business and it is called Imperialism. The United States has been an Imperialist nation for ever always exploiting countries for wealth and power. When a country refuses to give up it's wealth they have to deal with the military superiority of the USA. The one thing we are good for in the world. We bring Democracy whether a country wants it or not or we will kill them all. I am ashamed of the un-Christian attitude of this government. It is more satanic than anything else!
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RE: War in Iraq - 3/29/2009 2:53:17 PM
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We haven't heard from the troop loving apologists of Cheneyburton subsidiary KBR for a long time. Here is some more food for thought concerning the quality of their work and the way it threatens our troops: quote:
"It was horrible -- some of the worst electrical work I've ever seen," said Jim Childs, a master electrician and the top civilian expert in an Army safety survey. Childs told CNN that "with the buildings the way they are, we're playing Russian roulette." Childs recently returned from Iraq, where he is taking part in a yearlong review aimed at correcting electrical hazards on U.S. bases. He told CNN that thousands of buildings in Iraq and Afghanistan are so badly wired that troops are at serious risk of death or injury. and from the same: quote:
Of the nearly 30,000 buildings the Army's "Task Force Safe" has examined so far, Childs said more than half "failed miserably." And 8,527 had such serious problems that inspectors gave them a "flash" warning, meaning repairs had to be completed in four hours or the facility evacuated. He said the majority of those buildings were wired by contractor KBR, based in Houston, Texas. KBR has faced extensive criticism from Congress over its performance in the war zone. KBR has defended its performance and argued it was not to blame for any fatalities. Troop haters Kool Aid network link There is more: quote:
Pfc. Justin Shults shows some of the burn wounds he received after being electrocuted in a shower facility in Iraq, in this photo taken in January in San Antonio, Texas. Shults suffered third-degree burns on 13-percent of his body. He is suing contractor KBR Inc. for faulty wiring of the facility. Not a right wing wacko blog so probably still kool aid link Even Fox Republican News had a short of it: quote:
At least three soldiers have been killed while showering since the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Scores more suffered shocks between September 2006 and July 2008. That's according to a database maintained by KBR Inc., the Houston-based contractor which oversees maintenance at most U.S. facilities in Iraq. Link from soon to be Kool Aid Network for reporting that Cheneyburton KBR did shoddy work in Iraq Ironic how those who have mentioned that some of the contracting over there was sub par - even those who were first hand witnesses or listened to first hand accounts of it and had to go through the "troop hating librul" poppycock were right.
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/9/2009 3:35:16 PM
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The new "Forgotten War": An Iraq war veteran asked his Army psychologist last June why he had been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder instead of PTSD and was told, "Not only myself, but all the clinicians up here are being pressured to not diagnose PTSD," reports Salon. The admission, which the patient recorded, seems to support a belief held by some soldiers and advocates that "the military does not want Iraq veterans to be diagnosed with PTSD, a condition that obligates the military to provide expensive, intensive long-term care." According to Salon, an internal investigation conducted by the Army found no wrongdoing.
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/18/2009 12:12:06 PM
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"More American women have fought and died in Iraq than in any war since World War II. Over 206,000 have served in the Middle East since March 2003, most of them in Iraq. Some 600 have been wounded, and 104 have died. " Women at war,The Lonely Soldier. "According to several studies of the US military funded by the Department of Veteran Affairs, 30% of military women are raped while serving, 71% are sexually assaulted, and 90% are sexually harassed. The Department of Defense acknowledges the problem, estimating in its 2009 annual report on sexual assault (issued last month) that some 90% of military sexual assaults are never reported."
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/28/2009 12:53:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: tinydancer2 "More American women have fought and died in Iraq than in any war since World War II. Over 206,000 have served in the Middle East since March 2003, most of them in Iraq. Some 600 have been wounded, and 104 have died. " Women at war,The Lonely Soldier. "According to several studies of the US military funded by the Department of Veteran Affairs, 30% of military women are raped while serving, 71% are sexually assaulted, and 90% are sexually harassed. The Department of Defense acknowledges the problem, estimating in its 2009 annual report on sexual assault (issued last month) that some 90% of military sexual assaults are never reported." My cousin was sexually harrassed by her CO for the longest time. It took a transfer to another unit to stop that. Any reprimands for the CO? Not in the GOB (good ol' boys) club! 1 out of 5 soldiers in the military (2 out of 5 in the Marines) are 18-21 years old, IOW, college age. Different fraternity but the same age group. 1 out of 7 people in the armed forces are women so these GOB's better wake up and realize they are in the 21st century and not the era of the Neanderthals.
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Britian does a cut and run! - 4/30/2009 6:02:05 PM
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Britian pulled a cut and run in Iraq by pulling out all of their combat troops. quote:
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Britain officially handed over authority of Basra to Iraq on Thursday, marking the end of combat operations in the country after six years. The 4,000 British forces in the southern city now will begin rapidly withdrawing over the next month, leaving just 400 who will lead specialist training with the Iraqi army and navy, a spokesman for the British Ministry of Defence told CNN. It means British combat troops will be out of Iraq before the announced deadline of July 31. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/30/iraq.uk/index.html
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RE: Britian does a cut and run! - 5/4/2009 1:10:07 PM
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Maliki says no to an extension of US troops in any urban area: quote:
BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq will not extend the June 30 deadline for U.S. troops to withdraw from urban areas despite concerns about a resurgence of violence in recent weeks, a spokesman said Monday. The government has insisted it is committed to the timeline laid out in a U.S.-Iraqi security agreement that calls for American forces to pull back from urban areas by the summer and from the rest of the country by the end of 2011. But a series of high-profile bombings have cast doubt on the readiness of Iraqi forces to take over security responsibilities. In particular, U.S. commanders have pointed to the volatile northern city of Mosul as a possible exception to the withdrawal plans. Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh, however, said the deadlines were "non-extendable." http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hwK_CSpBxsNuVUEaDuOwmSSCiqGwD97VHNEG1 He is either unfazed and confident in his own nations' security forces or he wants to get re-elected.
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RE: War in Iraq - 5/23/2009 10:03:43 AM
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ORIGINAL: Goodwill Are you for it or against it....what is your opinion about the war? do you think we went in with the right intensions? Discuss recent developments and your opinions. just curious...and please lets remember that we are all (supposed to be) christians here so lets handle our selves like so...I love debate but hate arguing Just like so many people I thought one or two shots and it would be over! After all, we are this great nation. We can do anything. We can win. No problem. The terrorist has won. We jumped into this war on an impulse. We didn't know or understand our own weaknesses or strengths. Neither did we know our enemies weaknesses or strengths, two important keynotes when going against one's enemies. Same in the spiritual realm. Know your strenghts and weaknesses. Know your enemies strenghts and weaknesses. Born-again believers should study about Satan, for he is your enemy. And a vicious one. Amen! When we gain ground against our enemies whether in the spiritual realm or the secular, it is important to hold on to the ground which you have conquered. If we pull out of Iraq, the enemy will return. And all will be lost....I also believe that we should not be kissing up to the enemy. Unless, we intend to become like them. As always I must stress that we Americans and America needs God. There is no one else. He is a great warrior. The greatest. And He knows what to do in every situation. I was for the war. Especially, after learning about the evil dictator.
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RE: War in Iraq - 6/10/2009 1:30:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: JesusLivesInYou I just want to know what happened to the search for the person behind 9/11 (Osama bin Laden). I wonder about that too. We seem to have gotten side tracked by going into Iraq. But Cheney, Wolfowitz and others had that planned pre 9/11 so we could install a puppet regime and then liberate the oil (which they didn't even get right). If only we focused on those who attacked us instead of trying to get rich, the world might be a safer/better place today with America's integrity intact. At least we have a true leader who hopefully can undo the failures of the past 8 years. ~Dave
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RE: War in Iraq - 6/16/2009 8:17:24 PM
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Progress....I hope. Prayers for those guys. Won't be easy or safe.
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RE: War in Iraq - 6/30/2009 11:47:12 AM
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It's going to be a rough transition for the Iraqis, and I'm not at all convinced that their police forces are up to the job. But either way, the US can't babysit Iraq forever. Sooner or later, they new government has to assume control for their country, and all its problems.
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RE: War in Iraq - 6/30/2009 1:04:00 PM
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ORIGINAL: todd_t It's going to be a rough transition for the Iraqis, and I'm not at all convinced that their police forces are up to the job. But either way, the US can't babysit Iraq forever. Sooner or later, they new government has to assume control for their country, and all its problems. The US forces officially pulled out of Iraqi cities, though they are available, along with air support should they be needed. Mission Accomplished plus six years.
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/2/2009 9:44:34 AM
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Saddam Hussein believed Iran was a significant threat to Iraq and left open the possibility that he had weapons of mass destruction rather than appear vulnerable, according to declassified FBI documents on interrogations of the former Iraqi leader. "Hussein believed that Iraq could not appear weak to its enemies, especially Iran," FBI special agent George Piro wrote on notes of a conversation with Saddam in June 2004 about weapons of mass destruction. ... Saddam also denied any connections to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, who he called a "zealot," and cited North Korea as his most likely ally in a crunch, according to the documents. http://www.reuters.com/article/gc08/idUSTRE56113O20090702
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/2/2009 7:21:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: wing2000 Saddam Hussein believed Iran was a significant threat to Iraq and left open the possibility that he had weapons of mass destruction rather than appear vulnerable, according to declassified FBI documents on interrogations of the former Iraqi leader. "Hussein believed that Iraq could not appear weak to its enemies, especially Iran," FBI special agent George Piro wrote on notes of a conversation with Saddam in June 2004 about weapons of mass destruction. ... Saddam also denied any connections to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, who he called a "zealot," and cited North Korea as his most likely ally in a crunch, according to the documents. http://www.reuters.com/article/gc08/idUSTRE56113O20090702 Something I have posted on previously in this thread is that chemical weapons were an important weapon used by Iraq (and Iran later in the war) in the Iran/Iraq war. They were used as an equalizer because the population of Iran is so much bigger than Iraq's and Iran liked to used masses of troops together in their assaults and simply use sheer numbers not unlike what the Russians did in the two World Wars. This was from a report by military intelligence put together for the high command for the first war.
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/6/2009 6:27:43 AM
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"Among the findings, with links to the .pdf file of the relevant transcript: Hussein criticized Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden as a “zealot,” denied meeting him in Sudan in 1994, and said his country and the international terrorist franchise “did not have the same belief or vision.” Iraq would have been more likely to cooperate with China or North Korea, with which Hussein claimed to have a relationship. But his first choice would have been to seek a security agreement with the US to protect Iraq against regional threats. Iraq had complied with all UN resolutions regarding nuclear weapons by 1998. The main reason Hussein would not let UN inspectors return after kicking them out was that he was afraid Iran would learn from them where to strike Iraq. Hussein reluctantly reversed that decision after the British government prepared a report with inaccurate intelligence. “It was this inaccurate intelligence on which the United States was making their decisions,” says the transcript." csm link
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/8/2009 11:35:34 AM
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wing2000
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Hussein criticized Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden as a “zealot,” denied meeting him in Sudan in 1994, and said his country and the international terrorist franchise “did not have the same belief or vision.” ...various US analysts (DIA, State Department) made this very point in the months leading up to the invasion...but of course it was ignored by the Dick Cheney regime. They were to busy describing dooms day scenarios in which Iraq would hand over nuclear weapons to Al Qaeda...
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