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RE: MAC or PC? - 2/26/2010 8:47:13 AM
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I was thinking about putting Ubuntu Linux on a few old laptops I am not using any more because Windows just crawls on them... I am a much bigger fan of the Mac OS-X and run that almost all the time. Any reasons not to make an older windows useless laptop into Ubuntu?
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RE: MAC or PC? - 2/26/2010 12:02:30 PM
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If the OP is still considering a MacBook Pro, you might want to wait a bit. There should be an update with Nehalem based chips within the next few weeks. Those should be much faster for (presumably) the same price.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/3/2010 12:51:08 AM
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Well, technically speaking, the PC and the MAC are really hardware, not software. When people think PC, they think Windows, unfortunately. Windows is not the only operating system that runs on a PC. And besides, isn't the MAC really a PC too, using the same processor architecture?
I think the poll probably meant, Windows versus Mac OS X. Should have added Linux to the mix.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/3/2010 7:09:55 AM
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IMHO - I think its a misnominer to to equate a pc w/ just Win OS - as a "PC" and a pc running "Mac" (or sim.) - as a "Mac" - seeing they are both just OS's, ie; software. Whereas without the mfg's labels on the Win OS pc & Mac pc - you wouldn't be able to tell which was which!
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/3/2010 9:22:49 AM
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I agree. A PC is a Personal Computer that runs some sort of operating system. Its those blow monkeys in Redmond with their "I'm a PC" commercials that cloud the issue.
Its a marketing plan. Make people equate PC with Windows, and that is what people think they need. Simple marketing. Equate yourself to something common so much that people relate the common to the brand.
Need a Kleenex? Just google it. You get the idea...
My personal computers run Linux and some Windows. But to get anything done without interruption, its Linux.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 7:11:27 AM
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But to get anything done without interruption, its Linux.
hey man, heres one for ya... did you know with windows 7, if you instal a prgram that is not already deemed "a-ok" by microsoft (anything thats not microsoft, adobe, or itunes basically) to your "program files" folder, that your screen goes black with an error that reads "caution: you are about to make changes to your computer system. do you want to proceed? *yes* *cancel*" and it does that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. there is no way around it. look up win7 UAC .. there you go. the only way around it, is to create a folder under c: and instal all programs to your newly created folder. but all companies set the default destination to c:/program files so unless you know how to do that (which how many common windows users would really know how to do that?) it goes straight to the program files folder and asks you for eternity weather or not you want to run winamp everytime you listen to an mp3 lol. and theres no way to tag "do not ask" because msft says that would "breach your security barriers"
thanks for looking out for us dumb computer users, m$ft :D
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 7:33:48 AM
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But to get anything done without interruption, its Linux.
hey man, heres one for ya... did you know with windows 7, if you instal a prgram that is not already deemed "a-ok" by microsoft (anything thats not microsoft, adobe, or itunes basically) to your "program files" folder, that your screen goes black with an error that reads "caution: you are about to make changes to your computer system. do you want to proceed? *yes* *cancel*" and it does that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. there is no way around it.
Sure there is. Go into the UAC settings and set it to "Never Notify."
AFAIK, Microsoft apps are subject to this, too.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 7:37:26 AM
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But to get anything done without interruption, its Linux.
hey man, heres one for ya... did you know with windows 7, if you instal a prgram that is not already deemed "a-ok" by microsoft (anything thats not microsoft, adobe, or itunes basically) to your "program files" folder, that your screen goes black with an error that reads "caution: you are about to make changes to your computer system. do you want to proceed? *yes* *cancel*" and it does that EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. there is no way around it.
Sure there is. Go into the UAC settings and set it to "Never Notify."
AFAIK, Microsoft apps are subject to this, too.
-Dan.
DIDN'T WORK. its really not a big deal to me. i just have a folder titled c:/**** that i put all my programs in... and i still have full security settings. i tried turning it off... but it still bugged me.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 7:55:17 AM
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DIDN'T WORK. its really not a big deal to me. i just have a folder titled c:/**** that i put all my programs in... and i still have full security settings. i tried turning it off... but it still bugged me.
You do realize, don't you, that it's easier and takes less time to click "ok" than it does to browse to this other folder?
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 8:25:12 AM
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i dont browse... i go to the start menu and open, no fuss no muss. its easier to go to the start menu and open the program... then go to teh start menu, open program, and hit ok.
its a total win for me... a total loss to the fools who don't know how to install it to a 'nonsecure' folder.
i just don't want to turn off my UAC... cause lord knows i dont want to be outside of microsoft's watchful security minded eye :D
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 8:47:55 AM
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i dont browse... i go to the start menu and open, no fuss no muss. its easier to go to the start menu and open the program... then go to teh start menu, open program, and hit ok.
I meant while you're installing the program.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 9:19:20 AM
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i dont browse... i go to the start menu and open, no fuss no muss. its easier to go to the start menu and open the program... then go to teh start menu, open program, and hit ok.
I meant while you're installing the program.
-Dan.
no dude... we're not talking about one "caution: you are about to make changes to your computer system. do you want to proceed?" at the install screen.
for example: i install winamp to my program files folder. EVERY SINGLE TIME i use winamp, or open it up, it will ask "caution: you are about to make changes to your computer system. do you want to proceed?" thats what that link is all about. every single time you use it, you have to click ok that its a safe program to use. every time. a guy said that it even went off on his firefox... how many times a day do we open our browsers?! i mean seriously...
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 9:22:56 AM
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i dont browse... i go to the start menu and open, no fuss no muss. its easier to go to the start menu and open the program... then go to teh start menu, open program, and hit ok.
I meant while you're installing the program.
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no dude... we're not talking about one "caution: you are about to make changes to your computer system. do you want to proceed?" at the install screen.
for example: i install winamp to my program files folder. EVERY SINGLE TIME i use winamp, or open it up, it will ask "caution: you are about to make changes to your computer system. do you want to proceed?" thats what that link is all about. every single time you use it, you have to click ok that its a safe program to use. every time. a guy said that it even went off on his firefox... how many times a day do we open our browsers?! i mean seriously...
Then you've got your security settings jacked up too high. Even with the default setting, that message only pops up when you install something or change something in the control panel.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 11:33:05 AM
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Did you go to the app and shift + right click and choose run as administrator? A few apps you might have to do that.
My vista was doing goofy things similar to that but I had a bad hard drive too. The system 32 folder got the wrong permissions and it would not change them back correctly. I did not write down the error code but when I googled it others had the same problem and Microsoft's fix was to reinstall it.
Win 7 should not be doing that. Sounds like it could be a permissions issue on your Program Files folder.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/4/2010 2:51:49 PM
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I like it too.
Keeps off the spyware.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/5/2010 2:48:11 AM
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to stay on topic... i vote PC. only because all my software is PC software. so yeah. pc by necessity. i do do alot of video and audio editing... which i hear is more for apple... but whatever. all my editing programs are windows programs... and i am very comfortable with them, and would rather use them still then learn all the iGadgets and my wife is a strict tried and true windows XP user... so she would probably kill me if i had to teach her Mac OSx :P its been a struggle enough to get her on WIn7 "why are my icons different? where's the quick launch bar? the start menu is all wrong, wheres the status bar?" i've had to download and set up more 3rd party software to bring back the classic XP feel for her this week, than anything else :P
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Keeps off the spyware.
well i like it three :) thats why i won't turn it off, as dan prescribed :P but theres only 2 settings, on, and off, and 2 settings in teh middle which are 2 different ways to notify you while it is on (so theoretically theres still only on and off)
how i got around it, when i install any of my software, i log onto the Hidden Admin acct and install it all with that acct to my "c:/stuff" folder (so i dont even have to choose "run as admin" because i AM the admin :D and i have no errors or issues while running the programs. i did have an issue today, because i installed some software today on my own user acct, and it asks me if i want to allow changes to pc now when i open up those programs... so i'll have to uninstal them and instal them on the Hidden Admin acct this weekend. which is fine by me. doesnt bother me. i get the best of both worlds... my UAC is on, AND i don't get intrusive superfluous security checks to run something as common as Power DVD (which doesnt even make any changes. you just watch dvds with it!). so its all good.
i just thought it was interesting that it's set up like that is all :-/
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/6/2010 1:21:31 AM
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I've always been inclined towards PC (My Toshiba is wonderful :) ), but Mac is good if you're heavily in to media stuff for the fact that it comes preloaded with such amazing programs and it handles other such programs such well.
Macs just seem to unstable for me though. Everyone I've ever known has major issues with their computers (and all Apple merchandise for that matter) after just a few years, and a good computer should last like 8 years. Not to say that all macs do that, but the majority I've seen and researched have done that. Another thing is the price you pay for them and how difficult it is to repair them when the inevitable happens and something goes wrong. Like with the desktop, if something goes wrong you have to repair or replace the entire computer, where with a PC you only have to deal with one part (the monitor or the tower). It might seem lame, but that's something thats always bugged me about macs.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/6/2010 9:00:14 AM
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I've always been inclined towards PC (My Toshiba is wonderful :) ), but Mac is good if you're heavily in to media stuff for the fact that it comes preloaded with such amazing programs and it handles other such programs such well.
Macs just seem to unstable for me though. Everyone I've ever known has major issues with their computers (and all Apple merchandise for that matter) after just a few years, and a good computer should last like 8 years.
I've never had an entire PC last 8 years. Something always went after a couple years. This last time, it was my motherboard after about 3 years (almost to the day IIRC), and if your mobo goes after that time, you may as well gut the whole thing.
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Not to say that all macs do that, but the majority I've seen and researched have done that. Another thing is the price you pay for them
For what you get, they're not too far off PC manufacturers like Dell. The thing is that people rarely do apples-to-apples comparisons. Apple doesn't make a standard vanilla desktop, which is what most people shop for at Dell, HP, et al. Performance-wise, most standard Dell's run somewhere between the Mac Mini and the iMac, which are reasonably priced. Right now, the prices are running a little high relative to PC's, because the Macs are still using Core2Duo processors. Even still, a $1200 iMac is only $100-150 more expensive than a comparably-equipped Dell, a difference which could easily be explained by the fact that the iMac is an all-in-one unit, which always run at a premium.
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and how difficult it is to repair them when the inevitable happens and something goes wrong.
Any compact computer, all-in-one, or laptop is going to be difficult to repair no matter who makes it. The Mac Pro is a regular tower and is pretty easy to work on.
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Like with the desktop, if something goes wrong you have to repair or replace the entire computer, where with a PC you only have to deal with one part (the monitor or the tower). It might seem lame, but that's something thats always bugged me about macs.
The Mac Mini and the Mac Pro both have external monitors.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/7/2010 2:49:05 AM
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I've never had an entire PC last 8 years. Something always went after a couple years. This last time, it was my motherboard after about 3 years (almost to the day IIRC), and if your mobo goes after that time, you may as well gut the whole thing.
What brand did you buy from? We had an emachine...and that thing lasted about 2 years before croaking. HP has always been stable for everyone I've ever talked to. That's another thing I like about PC: It has so many brands to choose from. Some people might see that as annoying because you have to do so much research, but it leaves much more room for new companies and such to bring in new ideas.
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Even still, a $1200 iMac is only $100-150 more expensive than a comparably-equipped Dell, a difference which could easily be explained by the fact that the iMac is an all-in-one unit, which always run at a premium.
Well that really comes down to what you're going to be using your computer for. If you don't need all those features that come with a mac or a fully loaded PC, then why bother buying a mac when you can get a PC for much cheaper?
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Any compact computer, all-in-one, or laptop is going to be difficult to repair no matter who makes it
I disagree strongly with that :P I'm not trying to cause disagreement in every area I possibly can relating to this, I just feel that many repairs are easier on PCs because you can access different stuff easier.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/7/2010 7:44:02 AM
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So far, knock on wood - my Compaq Presario has lasted 4 yrs w/o any foul-ups. I did kick-up the ram two yrs ago, though.
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RE: MAC or PC? - 3/7/2010 7:47:13 AM
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I've never had an entire PC last 8 years. Something always went after a couple years. This last time, it was my motherboard after about 3 years (almost to the day IIRC), and if your mobo goes after that time, you may as well gut the whole thing.
What brand did you buy from? We had an emachine...and that thing lasted about 2 years before croaking. HP has always been stable for everyone I've ever talked to. That's another thing I like about PC: It has so many brands to choose from. Some people might see that as annoying because you have to do so much research, but it leaves much more room for new companies and such to bring in new ideas.
I built mine myself. My wife had a Dell tower where the PSU went bad after about 3 years. The screen on her 2.5 yo Dell laptop just went out a couple weeks ago.
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Any compact computer, all-in-one, or laptop is going to be difficult to repair no matter who makes it
I disagree strongly with that :P I'm not trying to cause disagreement in every area I possibly can relating to this, I just feel that many repairs are easier on PCs because you can access different stuff easier.
That's because most PC's are standard towers, not the compacts, all-in-one, or laptops I was talking about (and that make up the bulk of Apple's sales). Any PC laptop is going to be a bear to fix as are any one of those HP TouchSmart things.
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