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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/10/2010 8:22:46 AM
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cog41
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I have been to Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopal, Assembly of God, Church of God, Baptist and Catholic churches and have seen gay pastors, board members, and women as pastors(except Catholic).
Were they openly practicing their homosexual lifestyle? Promoting it?
I've never seen or heard of it being allowed in the above mentioned denominations with the exception of Episcopal.
I understand Presbyterian church of Anerica and Presby USA have opposing views on practicing homosexuals. Could someone elaborate , cause I'm not for certain o this.
It seems every year or so some denomination has to debate this issue within its doctrinal statement. Political correctness attempting to divide and destroy.
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/10/2010 9:31:41 AM
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I have been to Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopal, Assembly of God, Church of God, Baptist and Catholic churches and have seen gay pastors, board members, and women as pastors(except Catholic).
And pray tell how did you come to the knowledge that they were homosexuals?
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/10/2010 4:05:31 PM
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And pray tell how did you come to the knowledge that they were homosexuals?
Either being open about it from the pulpit, in private or being caught in the act. I don't want to give the impression that it is rampant or the majority, only a few cases.
The point i am trying to make is that broad strokes does no good for any folks.
We must take individual congregations, and individuals themselves for what they are, not lump them into categories or isms. It is major problem not only within the relational body of Christ, but also in the understanding and teaching of scripture.
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/10/2010 4:16:35 PM
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And pray tell how did you come to the knowledge that they were homosexuals?
Either being open about it from the pulpit, in private or being caught in the act. I don't want to give the impression that it is rampant or the majority, only a few cases.
The point i am trying to make is that broad strokes does no good for any folks.
We must take individual congregations, and individuals themselves for what they are, not lump them into categories or isms. It is major problem not only within the relational body of Christ, but also in the understanding and teaching of scripture.
I really wonder about you seeing a homosexual in ever pulpit and under every altar in the Churches.
Please tell us where the Church of God, the Assimblies of God, and the Baptist churches are located that you have first hand of rempant and approved of homosexuality?
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/11/2010 6:28:23 AM
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I really wonder about you seeing a homosexual in ever pulpit and under every altar in the Churches.
Please tell us where the Church of God, the Assimblies of God, and the Baptist churches are located that you have first hand of rempant and approved of homosexuality?
I didn't say that it was in every church, but i know of a few cases where it has been true. If you want to call me a liar than go ahead and do it, don't beat around the bush. And it wasn't so much that the church approved and let it continue, but it doesn't discount that the pastor was homo. One example would be Ocean City Worship Center. Another would be Gumboro Fellowship. I could give more examples, but like i said before it is more to the point that no matter what denomination, there are and still continue to be pastors that out and out sin, no matter what the sin is. Those pastors are dealt with sometimes, but other times they still remain as a pastor. Pastors still teach and live out false truths, everywhere you go.
Like i said before, just because the founder or originator of a denomination believes a certain way, doesn't mean that everyone that congregates under that belief system, follows it to a T. I was just trying to point out that there are faults no matter where you go.
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/11/2010 6:49:18 AM
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Like i said before, just because the founder or originator of a denomination believes a certain way, doesn't mean that everyone that congregates under that belief system, follows it to a T. I was just trying to point out that there are faults no matter where you go.
So even though the head is screwed on crooked, the body will be straight? Come on Posey.....
I am pretty sure that everyone here (I'm not taking sides, only pointing something out..so please don't think I'm taking a swing at you)
understands that sin can and does occur in congregations. I know of several cases myself...one of them really quite horrific. However, we are discussing a different interpretation if the Bible here, not whether or not there is sin.
The OP outlined some of these interpretations. Have you read them and if so, what do you make of them? Have you done some research on Maclaren or the emergents? It would be interesting to read what you think of some of the specifics instead of generalizing and saying that all churches have sin and therefore no one should have anything negative to say regarding the topic at hand.
It sounds like you are defending them by rationalizing that since there is sin to be found elsewhere, they are no worse than any other church. However, this is a movement and not 'a' church or 'a' congregation. This OP is not about sin in the emergent church. It is about
what they believe or how they interpret Scripture especially as put forth by Maclaren.
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/11/2010 9:22:28 AM
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I didn't say that it was in every church, but i know of a few cases where it has been true. If you want to call me a liar than go ahead and do it, don't beat around the bush.
I certainly was not trying to imply that you were lying, just asking for some of you first hand examples, and I thank you for giving them
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One example would be Ocean City Worship Center. Another would be Gumboro Fellowship.
In the two examples you gave, how did you determine that the Pastor's were homosexuals?
Thanks
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/12/2010 6:11:37 AM
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In the two examples you gave, how did you determine that the Pastor's were homosexuals?
In one instance the two men were caught in the act by his wife. The other instance the pastor was called out by the other man in front of his wife and wanted to end the affair. Both men were committing this act, all the while preaching from the pulpit.
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/12/2010 6:19:08 AM
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It sounds like you are defending them by rationalizing that since there is sin to be found elsewhere, they are no worse than any other church. However, this is a movement and not 'a' church or 'a' congregation. This OP is not about sin in the emergent church. It is about
what they believe or how they interpret Scripture especially as put forth by Maclaren.
I am by no means defending the emergent church or what Maclaren believes. It is as far away from the truth as you can get. The point i am trying to explain is that we should not just take the whole movement and write them off as lost and that everyone in the movement is wrong and cannot be saved. Just because a man or a few men teach the wrong thing or live out the wrong thing, doesn't mean that we can rebuke an entire movement. It is ok to inform one another of wrong beliefs and call to attention problems and things like that. However most of what goes on when you are only willing to lump together a whole bunch of people is gossip and slander and a whole lot of piousness aimed at people who are being taught wrong.
Honestly, it really upsets me when people play into this idea that it is ok to talk down to, talk bad about, others if their beliefs are different. Alot of people are ok with rebuking others, but few are just as excited and truly care enough about those who are wrong to invest in their lives and restore them to the truth. Alot of what i see going on is nothing more than bad mouthing other people and no genuine concern for shedding the light of Christ on others. Most are just concerned with trying to slay others with the sword of Truth.
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/12/2010 7:01:40 AM
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It sounds like you are defending them by rationalizing that since there is sin to be found elsewhere, they are no worse than any other church. However, this is a movement and not 'a' church or 'a' congregation. This OP is not about sin in the emergent church. It is about
what they believe or how they interpret Scripture especially as put forth by Maclaren.
I am by no means defending the emergent church or what Maclaren believes. It is as far away from the truth as you can get. The point i am trying to explain is that we should not just take the whole movement and write them off as lost and that everyone in the movement is wrong and cannot be saved. Just because a man or a few men teach the wrong thing or live out the wrong thing, doesn't mean that we can rebuke an entire movement. It is ok to inform one another of wrong beliefs and call to attention problems and things like that. However most of what goes on when you are only willing to lump together a whole bunch of people is gossip and slander and a whole lot of piousness aimed at people who are being taught wrong.
Honestly, it really upsets me when people play into this idea that it is ok to talk down to, talk bad about, others if their beliefs are different. Alot of people are ok with rebuking others, but few are just as excited and truly care enough about those who are wrong to invest in their lives and restore them to the truth. Alot of what i see going on is nothing more than bad mouthing other people and no genuine concern for shedding the light of Christ on others. Most are just concerned with trying to slay others with the sword of Truth.
Please re-read the OP Posey. This thread is for discussion of Maclaren's book.....the only one writing about condemning others is you and actually, you have misread. No one is saying everyone in the emergent movement is not saved. Apparently, that appears to be your main concern.
No one is condemning everyone in the emergent movement...you appear to think so, but that is not correct. I'm not responding anymore to your concerns. I have nothing new to add. Just the same "re-read the OP...this thread is not about who is saved or not saved."
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RE: A New Kind of Christianity: The Narrative Question - 3/12/2010 2:33:47 PM
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I am by no means defending the emergent church or what Maclaren believes. It is as far away from the truth as you can get.
Now that that is out of the way (and it is a relief), we can address your other issues.
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The point i am trying to explain is that we should not just take the whole movement and write them off as lost and that everyone in the movement is wrong and cannot be saved.
Nobody would dare claim that a whole group of people are "lost" and "cannot be saved", and no one has suggested this. Salvation can occur even in the most apostate churches, even in the RCC, and in spite of false teachers. God can lead people to salvation through His Word by the power of the Holy Spirit.
However, the focus is on the false teachers leading this movement and their false teachings. Only God knows if anyone is truly saved among them.
If you agree that "Emergent" teachings are false, then that should be the end of the matter. Most of those responding also agree. Therefore false teachers and their teachings should be soundly rebuked and shunned. We are not be be partakers of other men's evil deeds.
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