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Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 10:19:19 AM
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ahigherway
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Hi all,
we are told by Jesus to forgive. And if we forgive, we will also receive forgiveness ourselves.
And if we do not forgive each other, we ourselves will not receive forgiveness.
Which is harder to do? to forgive, or to ask forgiveness?
Curious to hear your thoughts..
Blessings to all,
brian
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 10:36:01 AM
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mariamaria
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ORIGINAL: ahigherway
Hi all,
we are told by Jesus to forgive. And if we forgive, we will also receive forgiveness ourselves.
And if we do not forgive each other, we ourselves will not receive forgiveness.
Which is harder to do? to forgive, or to ask forgiveness?
Curious to hear your thoughts..
Blessings to all
brian
That's a good question.. In my experience I would have to say the two are very close as in terms of how hard they are but I think forgiving some one is that little bit harder for me. It always takes me a little time to do so but I always do it.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 12:09:28 PM
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Liveloved
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ORIGINAL: ahigherway
Hi all,
we are told by Jesus to forgive. And if we forgive, we will also receive forgiveness ourselves.
And if we do not forgive each other, we ourselves will not receive forgiveness.
Which is harder to do? to forgive, or to ask forgiveness?
Curious to hear your thoughts..
Blessings to all,
brian
Oh dear, a forgiveness question. . .  I'm smiling because there are differing views on forgiveness but I will bypass those and just address your question.
My thought is that they are of equal difficulty. It is our ego at stake.
To forgive means we have been offended. Offense is sometimes perceived rather than real. IOW it is something I feel or think you have done or said against me rather than what the other has done and meant/intended.
So to forgive is to get beyond ourselves which takes Christ to do a work in our heart. To cut out the self love and pride that keeps one away from Him and others.
To ask forgiveness requires another work, cutting by the Surgeon. We must see and confess our wrongdoing. Ouch! The ego must go. A humbling must take place. Our flesh resists this. Only the Spirit can prevail in this work.
To forgive or ask forgiveness are both works of the Spirit, supernatural, miracles. Praise the Lord for His mighty work on our behalf!
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 12:12:02 PM
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stampinlady
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It is our ego at stake.
Very true. I find it much easier to talk to my Father than to certain people in my life.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 12:13:31 PM
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drmark
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Which is harder to do? to forgive, or to ask forgiveness? It's harder for me to ask for forgiveness than to forgive. But is it necessary to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven?
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 12:57:15 PM
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What LiveLoved said.
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But is it necessary to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven?
No. We can forgiven those who never asked us to.
But as people trying to keep our walk with God in order and not let sin become the fallen trees on the highway of life, we need to ask others to forgive us. That keeps our relationships with them tree-free, too, as far as it is possible with us.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 1:55:43 PM
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drmark
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No. We can forgiven those who never asked us to. But that wasn't my question. Can we be forgiven without asking for it? If so, then why is it important to ask? The command is to forgive others, not ask them for forgiveness, right?
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 2:46:33 PM
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ForgivenGrace
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All are difficult.
The most difficult was forgiving myself. Because I don't want to believe that I caused myself pain.
Then there is asking for forgiveness.
Forgiving others is what helps me to forgive myself and ask for forgiveness.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 2:59:23 PM
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Which is harder to do? to forgive, or to ask forgiveness? It's harder for me to ask for forgiveness than to forgive. But is it necessary to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven?
Is it necessary to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven?
Is it necessary to ask whom? The Lord or the person we sinned against? I'm not sure what you are asking. . .
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 3:08:16 PM
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MysterySolved
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ORIGINAL: ahigherway
Hi all,
we are told by Jesus to forgive. And if we forgive, we will also receive forgiveness ourselves.
And if we do not forgive each other, we ourselves will not receive forgiveness.
Which is harder to do? to forgive, or to ask forgiveness?
Curious to hear your thoughts..
Blessings to all,
brian
I would say that considering what Jesus had to go through so that we could have forgiveness, that it is harder to forgive.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 3:12:09 PM
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Eutychus
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Which is harder to do? to forgive, or to ask forgiveness?
Personally, it is much easier to ask forgiveness when I realize I have caused harm to someone.
It is much harder for me to forgive someone who has caused harm to my family under the guise of some spiritual reason. IOW, I just expect a higher standard of conduct from someone who professes to be a Christian and has done so for a number of years. Yet, the deepest emotional hurts in my life have come from "church" folks who thought their actions were completely justified, despite any harm they caused.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 3:24:10 PM
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When Jesus told the disciples they should forgive 7 x 70 times in one day, they (I think it was Peter) asked for more faith. We must have great faith to forgive, because forgiving requires holding no grudges, but willingly forgiving again and again. This would be the hardest if you ask me.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 3:48:37 PM
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Pride plays a major restraining role in 'Asking for forgiveness;' being hard to overcome.
Wisdom, and Love, play the major easing roles in 'Giving forgiveness,' even when not requested.
I would much prefer to forgive, than bare the soul, through requesting that favor, for I do not know how much damage I did, placing myself into a position necessitating forgiveness.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 4:00:00 PM
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drmark
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I would say that considering what Jesus had to go through so that we could have forgiveness, that it is harder to forgive. What do we "have to go through" in order to forgive, MS?
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 4:48:50 PM
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Liveloved
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Which is harder to do? to forgive, or to ask forgiveness? It's harder for me to ask for forgiveness than to forgive. But is it necessary to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven?
Is it necessary to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven?
Is it necessary to ask whom? The Lord or the person we sinned against? I'm not sure what you are asking. . .
Drmark,
I wanted to hear your response to this question. . . perhaps I didn't make that clear. LL
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 5:54:37 PM
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makarizo
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ORIGINAL: ahigherway
Hi all,
we are told by Jesus to forgive. And if we forgive, we will also receive forgiveness ourselves.
And if we do not forgive each other, we ourselves will not receive forgiveness.
Which is harder to do? to forgive, or to ask forgiveness?
Curious to hear your thoughts..
Blessings to all,
brian
For me it is much easier to ask forgiveness that to forgive..... to say i forgive is easy.... to really forgive had been a difficult thing in a particular circumstance in my life.
couldn't have done it without the help of the H.S .... I didn't even realize I hadn't truly forgiven.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 7:45:47 PM
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drmark
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Is it necessary to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven? No, not from fellow man.
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Is it necessary to ask whom? The Lord or the person we sinned against? Asking for forgiveness seems to me an integral part of repentance, along with godly sorrow and commitment to turn from sin. What do you think, LL?
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I'm not sure what you are asking. . . Actually, it's the OP who's asking, not me. I'm trying to get some clarification as well.
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RE: Asking forgiveness - 7/19/2010 8:58:30 PM
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In general I'm quick to forgive and ask for forgiveness. I suppose having to do it a few times it gets easier, especially when you fix your eyes on Jesus. Now, where I struggle is not the forgiveness part but when to allow consequences. Sometimes we are the stumbling block.
And although I don't know who any of you are - couldn't name you or pick you from a crowd. -- but if for some reason I've offended you, please forgive me. I hold no sin against anyone else before God.
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